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【トムトム】 トム
ああ、そういうガチ絶対主義がなんか嫌って話ね
マジレスしてすまん
ならまぁええんじゃないかな
ただここ怖した場合の他の灰へのケアとかをちゃんと考えてればより受け入れられやすいと思うよ
【ちゃび】 トビー
こいつが狼なら占抜いたら逃げ切られそうって思う相手がいたら占希望ゴリ押すけどね。
それが「ここ怖占い」っていう意味ならやるよ。
【うららん】 キトリ
はっぱさんもやってたくらいだから、ここ怖占した方がいい時もあるんでしょう。先輩に習え〜
絞れてる、ここ狼なら負ける〜の時かな。
【独】 【びーぐる】 メアリー
議論に１歩おくれてるー。
恥ずかしいわ！ぅぅ…。
始めたばっかりの時は、「なんだか皆黒狙ってるわ。そういうものなのね！」で黒狙いするようになって
「ここ怖って理論が伴わないからダメなのね！」って何となくダメなものなんだって受け取ってたー。
将棋の定跡とかお勉強してるとわかるけどー、先人が残した好手順ってそれなり以上の信頼性があるから、それ以前を開拓しようとは思えないのよね。
楽をしたい思考ってどうしても剥がせないからー。
「ここ怖はやってられない」が風潮(人狼界隈で伝わってきた定跡)なら
これを納得させるよりは、相手にむしろ好まれそうな理由を付ける方に力注ぐ方が楽で
話逸れすぎー。
【せんちゅ】 せんちゃん
少人数の白圧殺はまあわかる
色々考えあるんだなーと
一番の疑問は、ここ怖を思考停止に繋げる発想がね
あまり得意じゃない
ここ怖って一番勝ちを意識してる発想だと思うんよね
皆が「ここは白い、狼なら完敗だ」っていう発想の中、「でも狼なら負けじゃん」っていう発想
白に置いた考察や白狼と疑う考察はもちろん必要だけど、なにより勝ちたいって意思が見える
もちろん狼が使いやすい思考でもあるし、状況次第なんだけど、「ここ怖占い」が「やってはいけないこと」みたいになってるのはどうかと思う個人的な見解
これ、自吊りについても同じような見解なんだけどね
この辺はまた今度にでも
【せんちゅ】 せんちゃん
トムくん
ここ怖占の拒否は、ガチであって、ガチでないと思ってるかな
多分トムくんのガチは、努力、友情、勝利のガチ
俺のガチは、対戦者を試合の前日に暗殺して、勝ちを目指すガチ
【calu】 カルカル
せんちゃんの考えるここ怖占と、それ聞いて否定してる人達のここ怖占が、そもそも違うだけな気がしてきました。わん
上手く説明してちゃんと説得出来れば普通に通りかも。わん
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